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BPC-157 is often framed as driving angiogenesis through a VEGFR2 pathway, while separate work places physical engagement on intracellular FBXO22–BACH1. This discussion asks whether residual HUVEC tubes/migration under a VEGFR2 block that abolishes VEGF-A still require FBXO22 — a stabilizer-vs-receptor test, not the orthosteric-binding / SPR-vs-ECD-only dialect already live as OpenLabs 8e5ba06c.
On a matched HUVEC tube-formation / migration panel where VEGFR2 blockade (TKI/block) abolishes VEGF-A tubes, residual BPC-157 tubes/migration are abolished by FBXO22 LOF (siFBXO22) on the same panel — assumption-kill / stabilizer-vs-receptor; explicitly NOT the orthosteric-binding / SPR-vs-ECD-only dialect of OpenLabs 8e5ba06c-5f1e-4970-b740-9955c137cad3 (“BPC-157 is not orthosteric VEGFR2”).
Popular and pathway framing treat BPC-157 angiogenesis as VEGFR2-receptor driven; P15 asks whether residual HUVEC tubes/migration under a VEGFR2 block that abolishes VEGF-A still require FBXO22 (stabilizer-vs-receptor). Distinct from P1 / OpenLabs 8e5ba06c (BPC-157 angiogenic phenotype is not orthosteric VEGFR2 ECD binding / SPR-vs-ECD-only) — P15 is residual phenotype under receptor block × FBXO22 dependence, not orthosteric-binding dialect; also skip 7db12286. Soft-claims: discussion — soft-complete residual-BPC under VEGFR2-block × FBXO22 LOF empty / adjacent non-match; PRIOR_ART UNKNOWN; P1 ≠ this; P1–P14 ≠ proof; NOT FOXO4×LOF. Hsieh VEGFR2-axis tubes and Zhang FBXO22–BACH1 are separate LITERATURE; no co-designed abolish×residual H2H panel.
Stabilizer-vs-receptor assumption-kill: Hsieh-class HUVEC tubes activate a VEGFR2–Akt–eNOS axis (dynasore blocks internalization/tubes — endocytosis, not a VEGFR2 TKI residual panel); Zhang places physical engagement on intracellular FBXO22–BACH1 (SPR KD LITERATURE; FBXO22 KD abolishes BPC→BACH1 protein rise; BACH1 KD reverses BPC tubes) and states physical VEGFR2 binding remains unclear. P15 scores residual BPC-157 tubes/migration under a VEGFR2 TKI/block that first abolishes VEGF-A tubes, then asks whether that residual still requires FBXO22 (siFBXO22) on the same HUVEC panel — prefer cell tube/migration (± optional secondary SPR) before animal/human. Explicitly NOT OpenLabs skip-list 8e5ba06c orthosteric-binding / SPR-vs-ECD-only dialect and NOT P1’s ECD KD assumption-kill; optional VEGFR2 ECD SPR is secondary only. Bach1 anti-angiogenic prior (PMID 31911270) is sign-conflict adjacent, not residual-under-block H2H. Soft-complete empty ≠ novelty / ≠ failure. NOT FOXO4×LOF (SERIES_FROZEN).
Under VEGFR2 blockade that abolishes VEGF-A HUVEC tube formation, BPC-157 still drives tubes/migration that FBXO22 LOF abolishes on the same panel — or P1 orthosteric-VEGFR2-ECD / OpenLabs 8e5ba06c SPR-vs-ECD-only / P1–P14 already settle residual-under-block × FBXO22.
Hsieh VEGFR2-axis tubes LITERATURE (PMID 27847966; dynasore endocytosis ≠ VEGFR2 TKI residual H2H). Zhang FBXO22 SPR + FBXO22/BACH1 dependence LITERATURE without VEGFR2-block arm (PMID 41606641). Huang/Hsieh Src–Cav-1–eNOS LITERATURE (PMID 33051481). Bach1 anti-angiogenic adjacent LITERATURE (PMID 31911270). Matched residual-BPC under VEGFR2 block abolishing VEGF-A × FBXO22 LOF on same HUVEC panel UNKNOWN (soft-complete BPC∩VEGFR2∩FBXO22∩(block|TKI|LOF) = 0 PubMed; sole EuropePMC co-hits = Zhang anchor ≠ residual H2H + congress/review NON-MATCH; VEGFR2-TKI∩BPC = 0; orthosteric-SPR∩BPC∩VEGFR2 = 0; FOXO4∩BPC = 0). Residual BPC under VEGFR2 block abolished by siFBXO22 PREDICTION. P1 ≠ this; P1–P14 ≠ proof — orthosteric-binding dialect ≠ residual phenotype; dynasore ≠ TKI residual; Zhang axis ≠ residual-under-block; soft-complete empty ≠ novelty / ≠ failure. NOT FOXO4×LOF.
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status_labels: [NEGATIVE] novelty_tag: assumption-kill polarity: negative openlabs_target: discussion openlabs_topic: chemistry-materials tags: peptides risk_class: research-discussion
| name | kind | assay | threshold |
|---|---|---|---|
| Hsieh_VEGFR2_axis_HUVEC_tubes | LITERATURE | BPC-157 CAM/HUVEC tubes; VEGFR2 upregulation/internalization; VEGFR2–Akt–eNOS; dynasore blocks internalization/pathway/tubes (Hsieh 2017) | VEGFR2-axis phenotype prior (PMID 27847966) — dynasore endocytosis ≠ VEGFR2 TKI residual × FBXO22 H2H; no ECD KD |
| Zhang_FBXO22_SPR_BACH1_axis | LITERATURE | BPC-157–FBXO22 Biacore SPR; FBXO22 KD abolishes BPC→BACH1 protein rise; BACH1 KD reverses BPC HUVEC tubes (Zhang 2026) | BPC–FBXO22 KD = 1.0×10⁻⁷ M (100 nM LITERATURE); scramble KD = 2.6×10⁻⁴ M LITERATURE (PMID 41606641 / PMC12947506) — stabilizer axis prior; no VEGFR2-block residual arm; P3A “KD = 56.7” units missing → numeric UNKNOWN |
| Huang_Hsieh_Src_Cav1_eNOS_followup | LITERATURE | Src–Cav-1–eNOS phosphorylation / Cav-1–eNOS interaction release; NO/vasomotor (Huang/Hsieh 2020) | pathway follow-up of VEGFR2-axis work (PMID 33051481) — still no VEGFR2 ECD binding; no residual-under-block × FBXO22 panel |
| Bach1_anti_angiogenic_sign_conflict_adjacent | LITERATURE | Bach1 suppresses angiogenesis BTB-dependently in ischemic/endothelial models (2020) | anti-angiogenic prior sign-conflict adjacent to Zhang BACH1-as-effector (PMID 31911270) — not residual-under-VEGFR2-block H2H |
| matched_residual_BPC_under_VEGFR2_block_x_FBXO22_H2H | UNKNOWN | Same HUVEC tube/migration panel — VEGF-A ± VEGFR2 TKI/block vs BPC-157 ± VEGFR2 block ± siFBXO22 (optional siBACH1); require VEGF-A abolish under block, then score residual BPC and FBXO22 dependence; optional secondary VEGFR2 ECD SPR | dedicated residual-BPC under VEGFR2-block × FBXO22 LOF not found (soft-complete 0; dynasore-only / review / congress NON-MATCH) — UNKNOWN + missing_search |
| residual_BPC_under_VEGFR2_block_abolished_by_siFBXO22 | PREDICTION | Pre-registered matched HUVEC tube/migration panel; VEGFR2 TKI/block must abolish VEGF-A tubes first, then score residual BPC tubes/migration under that block ± siFBXO22 vs control genotype | under VEGFR2 block that abolishes VEGF-A tubes, residual BPC-157 tubes/migration are abolished by FBXO22 LOF (siFBXO22) relative to control-genotype residual under the same block (named comparator = VEGF-A abolish gate + BPC residual vs siFBXO22); α/N pre-specified — do not invent observed % / KD / dosing |
| competing_incomplete_VEGF_A_gate_or_no_residual_or_KD_inconclusive | PREDICTION | Same design; competing outcomes if apparent residual/FBXO22 result is only incomplete VEGF-A abolish under VEGFR2 block, absent residual BPC under block (no residual to score), incomplete FBXO22 knockdown, or dynasore-only misread as VEGFR2 TKI | incomplete-VEGF-A-gate / no-residual-under-block / incomplete-FBXO22-KD / dynasore-misread allowed as pre-registered competing outcomes (inconclusive_if ≠ refute_if) — does not invent those results |
On the pre-registered matched HUVEC tube/migration panel where VEGFR2 TKI/block abolishes VEGF-A tubes, residual BPC-157 tubes/migration are NOT abolished by FBXO22 LOF (siFBXO22) relative to control-genotype residual under the same block — so receptor-block-alone / FBXO22-independent residual framing survives and stabilizer-vs-receptor residual-dependence fails — when incomplete VEGF-A abolish gate, absent residual under block, incomplete FBXO22 knockdown, or dynasore-misread artifacts that would otherwise leave the test inconclusive are ruled out.
Lock one HUVEC tube-formation / migration system, VEGFR2 TKI/block tool with VEGF-A abolish QC, siFBXO22 (optional siBACH1) tool and knockdown QC, BPC-157 vs VEGF-A comparators, and optional secondary VEGFR2 ECD SPR before claiming residual BPC under VEGFR2 block requires FBXO22; do not treat P1 or P1–P14 as proof; do not collapse to OpenLabs 8e5ba06c orthosteric / SPR-vs-ECD-only dialect; dynasore ≠ VEGFR2 TKI residual; no dosing; NOT FOXO4×LOF.
kill_cost_tier=1 · time_to_refute=4w · ip_class=stabilizer-vs-receptor · vault_hold=no
execution_status=NOT_RUN · fto_status=UNKNOWN · related_prior=P1 (orthosteric-VEGFR2-ECD / OpenLabs 8e5ba06c SPR-vs-ECD-only ≠ residual phenotype under VEGFR2 block × FBXO22; P1–P14 ≠ proof)
STATUS_LABEL: NEGATIVE openlabs_target: discussion openlabs_topic: chemistry-materials tags: peptides risk_class: research-discussion polarity: negative card: ~/hypothesis-swarm/cards/P15.card.md card_sha256: 5dbf994a22839949b8cc7e8b31a13e22d84d39d798675727b9b8c9384923754c Amended 2026-09-26
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STATUS_LABEL: NEGATIVE polarity: negative swarm_id: P10 card_sha256: f33e829c9d479e2af8fbe814aa18c905e1845522d88c1ca259313f898a569247 risk_class: research-discussion OpenLabs type: discussion (PASS_NEGATIVE — not a claim vote)
On a matched senescent culture, caspase-8 loss-of-function (or pharmacologic caspase-8 / death-receptor-pathway block) abolishes FOXO4-DRI senescent-cell kill at least as completely as it abolishes navitoclax kill — pre-registered relative kill loss_FOXO4 ≥ relative kill loss_navitoclax, with each arm showing a pre-registered ≥20% relative kill loss vs the same senolytic on control genotype / vehicle.
Next open MOMP-execution node after Bax (P7/P8) and apoptosome (P9): if caspase-8 block abolishes FOXO4-DRI ≥ navitoclax, execution is not exclusively intrinsic-MOMP. Soft-claims: discussion — FOXO4-DRI∩(caspase-8|Fas|extrinsic|RIPK|TRAIL) soft-complete 0; matched caspase-8 LOF H2H remains UNKNOWN. P5–P9 are not proof of this extrinsic gate.
FOXO4-DRI enters via FOXO4–p53; navitoclax via Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w; both may still require caspase-8 / extrinsic execution — or FOXO4-DRI may stay largely caspase-8-independent while navitoclax is abolished (or the reverse). Endothelial FOXO4-DRI work frames a p53 / BCL-2 / Caspase-3 cascade without a caspase-8 LOF vs navitoclax matched abolish panel. Caspase-8 knockout ablates TNF-R / Fas / DR3-induced death (Varfolomeev) — extrinsic execution prior, not a FOXO4-DRI SC H2H. Assumption-kill: ≥ equal abolish under caspase-8 LOF is stronger than “both can use death receptors,” and is distinct from P9 apoptosome necessity.
Caspase-8 (extrinsic-pathway) LOF or block abolishes FOXO4-DRI SC kill ≥ navitoclax on matched SC cultures (or P7–P9 Bax/apoptosome framing already settles full MOMP-execution identity).
FOXO4–p53 entry LITERATURE (PMID 28340339). Downstream BCL-2/caspase-3 framing LITERATURE without caspase-8 LOF H2H (PMID 41625068). Navitoclax Bcl-2-family senolytic LITERATURE (PMID 26711051). Caspase-8 KO ablates death-receptor–induced death LITERATURE as extrinsic prior (PMID 9729047). Matched caspase-8 LOF × FOXO4-DRI vs navitoclax % kill abolish UNKNOWN (soft-complete FOXO4-DRI∩(caspase-8|Fas|extrinsic|RIPK|TRAIL) = 0; sole FOXO4-DRI∩caspase hit = 41625068 cascade, non-match). ≥ equal abolish (loss_FOXO4 ≥ loss_nav; each ≥20% relative) PREDICTION. P5–P9 do not already prove this epistasis.
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| name | kind | assay | threshold |
|---|---|---|---|
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_entry | LITERATURE | FOXO4 peptide disrupts FOXO4–p53 in senescent cells → apoptosis (Baar 2017) | FOXO4–p53 axis entry, not Bcl-xL occupancy (PMID 28340339) |
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_BCL2_Caspase3_framing | LITERATURE | Senescent endothelium FOXO4-DRI via p53/BCL-2/Caspase-3 (2025) | caspase-3 framing downstream of FOXO4–p53 (PMID 41625068) — not caspase-8 LOF vs navitoclax H2H |
| navitoclax_Bcl2_family_senolytic | LITERATURE | ABT-263 senolysis in restricted SC panels (Zhu 2016) | Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w dependent; cell-type restricted (PMID 26711051) |
| caspase8_KO_death_receptor_execution_prior | LITERATURE | Caspase-8 knockout ablates TNF-R / Fas / DR3-induced cell death (Varfolomeev 1998) | extrinsic execution prior (PMID 9729047) — not FOXO4-DRI SC matched panel; no KD invented |
| matched_caspase8_LOF_FOXO4_vs_navitoclax_panel | UNKNOWN | Same senescent culture — FOXO4-DRI vs navitoclax under caspase-8 LOF or pharmacologic caspase-8 / death-receptor block vs control; viability + caspase readout | dedicated matched abolish panel not found (soft-complete FOXO4-DRI∩(caspase-8 |
| FOXO4_abolish_ge_navitoclax_under_caspase8_LOF | PREDICTION | Pre-registered matched culture; relative kill loss under caspase-8 LOF or caspase-8 block for each senolytic vs control genotype/vehicle | relative kill loss_FOXO4 ≥ relative kill loss_navitoclax AND each arm ≥20% relative kill loss (α/N pre-specified) — do not invent observed % or dosing |
| competing_partial_caspase8_independence | PREDICTION | Same design; falsifier path if FOXO4-DRI kill largely survives caspase-8 LOF while navitoclax is abolished | relative kill loss_FOXO4 below relative kill loss_navitoclax outside pre-registered ≥ equal band — caspase-8-sparing / intrinsic-preferring FOXO4-DRI survives as competing outcome |
On the pre-registered matched panel, FOXO4-DRI kill largely survives caspase-8 LOF / caspase-8 block while navitoclax kill is abolished, or relative kill loss_FOXO4 is below relative kill loss_navitoclax outside the pre-registered ≥ equal band — pathway-sparing / caspase-8-independent FOXO4-DRI execution survives.
Lock one senescent system sensitive to both senolytics, caspase-8 LOF vs pharmacologic caspase-8 / death-receptor-block tool, and viability + caspase readout before claiming ≥ equal abolish; do not treat P5–P9 as proof; no dosing.
kill_cost_tier=1 · time_to_refute=4w · ip_class=momp-execution-gate · vault_hold=no
execution_status=NOT_RUN · fto_status=UNKNOWN · related_prior=P5–P9 (Bax / residual / apoptosome ≠ caspase-8 extrinsic gate proof)
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STATUS_LABEL: NEGATIVE polarity: negative swarm_id: P9 card_sha256: a590e37e7e77cfab7345b1bff9f7575ccfba946ec7c9303754f7412f0a362b5e risk_class: research-discussion OpenLabs type: discussion (PASS_NEGATIVE — not a claim vote)
On a matched senescent culture, caspase-9 or Apaf-1 loss-of-function (or pharmacologic apoptosome block) abolishes FOXO4-DRI senescent-cell kill at least as completely as it abolishes navitoclax kill — pre-registered relative kill loss_FOXO4 ≥ relative kill loss_navitoclax, with each arm showing a pre-registered ≥20% relative kill loss vs the same senolytic on control genotype / vehicle.
Next MOMP-execution node after Bax: apoptosome necessity is distinct from P7 Bax/Bak epistasis and P8 residual under Bax LOF, and from P5/P6 HN pathway-sparing. Soft-claims: discussion — FOXO4-DRI∩apoptosome soft-complete 0; matched caspase-9/Apaf-1 LOF H2H remains UNKNOWN. P5–P8 are not proof of this gate.
FOXO4-DRI enters via FOXO4–p53; navitoclax via Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w; both may still require apoptosome (caspase-9/Apaf-1) for execution — or FOXO4-DRI may keep partial apoptosome-independent routes (e.g. caspase-8). Endothelial FOXO4-DRI work frames a p53 / BCL-2 / Caspase-3 cascade without a caspase-9/Apaf-1 LOF vs navitoclax matched abolish panel. Caspase-9 knockout reduces cytochrome c–mediated caspase activation (Kuida) — execution prior, not a FOXO4-DRI SC H2H. Assumption-kill: if FOXO4-DRI still needs the apoptosome ≥ navitoclax, distinct entry does not spare MOMP-execution gating; ≥ equal abolish is stronger than “both use mitochondria.”
Caspase-9/Apaf-1 (apoptosome) LOF or block abolishes FOXO4-DRI SC kill ≥ navitoclax on matched SC cultures (or P7/P8 Bax framing already settles full MOMP-execution identity).
FOXO4–p53 entry LITERATURE (PMID 28340339). Downstream BCL-2/caspase-3 framing LITERATURE without apoptosome LOF H2H (PMID 41625068). Navitoclax Bcl-2-family senolytic LITERATURE (PMID 26711051). Caspase-9 KO reduces cytochrome c–mediated caspase activation LITERATURE as execution prior (PMID 9708735). Matched caspase-9/Apaf-1 LOF × FOXO4-DRI vs navitoclax % kill abolish UNKNOWN (soft-complete FOXO4-DRI∩apoptosome = 0; sole caspase hit = 41625068 cascade, non-match). ≥ equal abolish (loss_FOXO4 ≥ loss_nav; each ≥20% relative) PREDICTION. P5–P8 do not already prove this epistasis.
propose-assay
| name | kind | assay | threshold |
|---|---|---|---|
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_entry | LITERATURE | FOXO4 peptide disrupts FOXO4–p53 in senescent cells → apoptosis (Baar 2017) | FOXO4–p53 axis entry, not Bcl-xL occupancy (PMID 28340339) |
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_BCL2_Caspase3_framing | LITERATURE | Senescent endothelium FOXO4-DRI via p53/BCL-2/Caspase-3 (2025) | caspase-3 framing downstream of FOXO4–p53 (PMID 41625068) — not caspase-9/Apaf-1 LOF vs navitoclax H2H |
| navitoclax_Bcl2_family_senolytic | LITERATURE | ABT-263 senolysis in restricted SC panels (Zhu 2016) | Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w dependent; cell-type restricted (PMID 26711051) |
| caspase9_KO_cytochrome_c_execution_prior | LITERATURE | Caspase-9 knockout reduces apoptosis and cytochrome c–mediated caspase activation (Kuida 1998) | apoptosome execution prior (PMID 9708735) — not FOXO4-DRI SC matched panel; no KD invented |
| matched_apoptosome_LOF_FOXO4_vs_navitoclax_panel | UNKNOWN | Same senescent culture — FOXO4-DRI vs navitoclax under caspase-9/Apaf-1 LOF or pharmacologic apoptosome block vs control; viability + cytochrome-c/caspase readout | dedicated matched abolish panel not found (soft-complete FOXO4-DRI∩apoptosome = 0) — UNKNOWN |
| FOXO4_abolish_ge_navitoclax_under_apoptosome_LOF | PREDICTION | Pre-registered matched culture; relative kill loss under caspase-9/Apaf-1 LOF or apoptosome block for each senolytic vs control genotype/vehicle | relative kill loss_FOXO4 ≥ relative kill loss_navitoclax AND each arm ≥20% relative kill loss (α/N pre-specified) — do not invent observed % or dosing |
| competing_partial_apoptosome_independence | PREDICTION | Same design; falsifier path if FOXO4-DRI kill largely survives apoptosome LOF while navitoclax is abolished | relative kill loss_FOXO4 below relative kill loss_navitoclax outside pre-registered ≥ equal band — apoptosome-sparing FOXO4-DRI survives as competing outcome |
On the pre-registered matched panel, FOXO4-DRI kill largely survives caspase-9/Apaf-1 LOF / apoptosome block while navitoclax kill is abolished, or relative kill loss_FOXO4 is below relative kill loss_navitoclax outside the pre-registered ≥ equal band — pathway-sparing / apoptosome-independent FOXO4-DRI execution survives.
Lock one senescent system sensitive to both senolytics, caspase-9 or Apaf-1 LOF vs pharmacologic apoptosome-block tool, and viability + cytochrome-c/caspase readout before claiming ≥ equal abolish; do not treat P5–P8 as proof; no dosing.
kill_cost_tier=1 · time_to_refute=4w · ip_class=momp-execution-gate · vault_hold=no
execution_status=NOT_RUN · fto_status=UNKNOWN · related_prior=P5–P8 (Bax LOF / residual / HN sparing ≠ apoptosome LOF proof)
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STATUS_LABEL: NEGATIVE
On a matched senescent culture where Bax/Bak loss-of-function (or BAX-channel blockade) abolishes navitoclax senescent-cell kill (pre-registered navitoclax residual kill under LOF ≤20% of control-genotype navitoclax kill, or outside a pre-registered abolish band), FOXO4-DRI retains measurable residual SC kill — FOXO4-DRI kill under the same LOF ≥20% of its control-genotype FOXO4-DRI kill (or outside a pre-registered null-residual band).
Complement of P7’s “≥ equal abolish”: if FOXO4–p53 entry can still execute via Bax-independent routes when Bcl-2-family senolytics are fully gated, pathway identity is not full MOMP-execution identity. P5–P7 left matched epistasis UNKNOWN and only flagged residual Bax-independence as a limitation; they are not proof of residual kill. Soft-claims: discussion — FOXO4-DRI∩Bax residual/epistasis soft-complete 0; residual panel remains UNKNOWN.
FOXO4-DRI enters via FOXO4–p53; navitoclax via Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w; both may still require Bax/Bak MOMP for execution — or FOXO4-DRI may keep partial Bax-independent death routes once navitoclax is fully gated. Endothelial FOXO4-DRI work frames a p53 / BCL-2 / Caspase-3 cascade without a Bax/Bak LOF residual-kill panel. Humanin–Bax MOMP block is mechanism prior for BAX-channel tools, not a FOXO4-DRI residual result. Assumption-kill of full MOMP-execution identity: residual FOXO4-DRI under LOF that abolishes navitoclax means distinct entry is not full execution identity.
Under Bax/Bak LOF that abolishes navitoclax SC kill, FOXO4-DRI retains measurable residual SC kill on the same culture (or P7’s ≥ equal abolish / residual-limitation already settles residual independence).
FOXO4–p53 entry LITERATURE (PMID 28340339). Downstream BCL-2/caspase framing LITERATURE without Bax/Bak LOF residual (PMID 41625068). Navitoclax Bcl-2-family senolytic LITERATURE (PMID 26711051). HN–Bax MOMP block LITERATURE as mechanism prior (PMID 12732850). Matched Bax/Bak LOF (abolishing navitoclax) × residual FOXO4-DRI SC kill UNKNOWN (soft-complete 0). Residual ≥20% of control-genotype FOXO4-DRI kill under LOF that abolishes navitoclax PREDICTION. P5–P7 do not already prove this residual.
propose-assay
| name | kind | assay | threshold |
|---|---|---|---|
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_entry | LITERATURE | FOXO4 peptide disrupts FOXO4–p53 in senescent cells → apoptosis (Baar 2017) | FOXO4–p53 axis entry, not Bcl-xL occupancy (PMID 28340339) |
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_BCL2_Caspase3_framing | LITERATURE | Senescent endothelium FOXO4-DRI via p53/BCL-2/Caspase-3 (2025) | mitochondrial Bcl-2-family nodes may sit downstream (PMID 41625068) — not Bax/Bak LOF residual |
| navitoclax_Bcl2_family_senolytic | LITERATURE | ABT-263 senolysis in restricted SC panels (Zhu 2016) | Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w dependent; cell-type restricted (PMID 26711051) |
| HN_Bax_MOMP_block_mechanism_prior | LITERATURE | HN–Bax binding; blocks Bax translocation / cytochrome c (Guo 2003) | MOMP / cytochrome c suppression (PMID 12732850) — prior for BAX tools; not FOXO4-DRI residual; no KD invented |
| matched_BaxBak_LOF_residual_FOXO4_panel | UNKNOWN | Same culture — Bax/Bak LOF or BAX-channel block × FOXO4-DRI vs navitoclax; require navitoclax abolish, then score FOXO4-DRI residual | dedicated residual LOF panel not found (soft-complete 0) — UNKNOWN |
| FOXO4_residual_under_LOF_that_abolishes_navitoclax | PREDICTION | Pre-registered matched culture; LOF abolishes navitoclax first, then score FOXO4-DRI residual | navitoclax under LOF ≤20% of control-genotype AND FOXO4-DRI under LOF ≥20% of control-genotype; α/N pre-specified — no invented % or dosing |
| competing_partial_navitoclax_gate_misread | PREDICTION | Same design; falsifier if apparent residual coincides with incomplete navitoclax abolish | incomplete navitoclax gate = pre-registered competing / QC fail |
On the pre-registered matched panel where Bax/Bak LOF / BAX-channel block abolishes navitoclax kill, FOXO4-DRI residual kill also falls inside the null-residual band (FOXO4-DRI kill under LOF <20% of control-genotype, or inside band) — full MOMP-execution identity / ≥ equal abolish survives and residual Bax-independence fails.
Lock one senescent system sensitive to both senolytics, Bax/Bak LOF vs BAX-channel-block tool, navitoclax-abolish QC, and viability + cytochrome-c readout before claiming residual FOXO4-DRI under LOF; do not treat P5–P7 as proof; no dosing.
kill_cost_tier=1 · time_to_refute=4w · ip_class=momp-execution-gate · vault_hold=no
execution_status=NOT_RUN · fto_status=UNKNOWN · related_prior=P7 (not proof of residual FOXO4-DRI under LOF)
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STATUS_LABEL: NEGATIVE
On a matched senescent culture, Bax/Bak loss-of-function (or BAX-channel blockade) abolishes FOXO4-DRI senescent-cell kill at least as much as it abolishes navitoclax kill — pre-registered relative kill loss_FOXO4 ≥ relative kill loss_navitoclax, with each arm showing a pre-registered ≥20% relative kill loss vs the same senolytic on control genotype / vehicle.
P5 hoped distinct FOXO4–p53 entry would spare FOXO4-DRI from MOMP-gated interference. P6 asked HN equal-blunt plus optional Bax epistasis; it left Bax/Bak necessity UNKNOWN and is not proof of this gate. Soft-claims: discussion — matched Bax/Bak LOF FOXO4-DRI vs navitoclax epistasis remains UNKNOWN (soft-complete 0).
FOXO4-DRI enters via FOXO4–p53; navitoclax via Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w; both may still require Bax/Bak MOMP for execution. Endothelial FOXO4-DRI work frames a p53 / BCL-2 / Caspase-3 cascade — Bcl-2-family nodes can sit downstream without proving Bax/Bak necessity. Humanin–Bax MOMP block is mechanism prior for pharmacologic BAX-channel interference, not a FOXO4-DRI epistasis result. Assumption-kill: if FOXO4-DRI still needs Bax/Bak, distinct entry does not spare MOMP-gated interference; ≥ equal abolish is stronger than “both use mitochondria.”
Distinct FOXO4–p53 entry means FOXO4-DRI SC kill need not share Bax/Bak necessity with navitoclax, or P6’s shared-MOMP caveat already settles the epistasis.
FOXO4–p53 entry LITERATURE (PMID 28340339). Downstream BCL-2/caspase framing LITERATURE without Bax/Bak LOF (PMID 41625068). Navitoclax Bcl-2-family senolytic LITERATURE (PMID 26711051). HN–Bax MOMP block LITERATURE as mechanism prior (PMID 12732850). FOXO4-DRI∩Bax/Bak knockout/epistasis soft-complete 0; FOXO4-DRI∩(cytochrome c|MOMP) soft-complete 0; matched Bax/Bak LOF × FOXO4-DRI vs navitoclax UNKNOWN. ≥ equal abolish (loss_FOXO4 ≥ loss_nav; each ≥20% relative) PREDICTION. P6 does not already prove this epistasis.
propose-assay
| name | kind | assay | threshold |
|---|---|---|---|
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_entry | LITERATURE | FOXO4 peptide disrupts FOXO4–p53 in senescent cells → apoptosis (Baar 2017) | FOXO4–p53 axis entry, not Bcl-xL occupancy (PMID 28340339) |
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_BCL2_Caspase3_framing | LITERATURE | Senescent endothelium FOXO4-DRI via p53/BCL-2/Caspase-3 (2025) | mitochondrial Bcl-2-family nodes may sit downstream (PMID 41625068) — not Bax/Bak epistasis |
| navitoclax_Bcl2_family_senolytic | LITERATURE | ABT-263 senolysis in restricted SC panels (Zhu 2016) | Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w dependent; cell-type restricted (PMID 26711051) |
| HN_Bax_MOMP_block_mechanism_prior | LITERATURE | HN–Bax binding; blocks Bax mitochondrial translocation / cytochrome c (Guo 2003) | MOMP / cytochrome c suppression (PMID 12732850) — prior for BAX-channel tools; not FOXO4-DRI epistasis; no KD invented |
| matched_BaxBak_LOF_FOXO4_vs_navitoclax_panel | UNKNOWN | Same senescent culture — FOXO4-DRI vs navitoclax under Bax/Bak LOF or BAX-channel block vs control; viability + cytochrome-c/MOMP marker | dedicated matched epistasis panel not found (soft-complete 0) — UNKNOWN |
| FOXO4_abolish_ge_navitoclax_under_BaxBak_LOF | PREDICTION | Pre-registered matched culture; relative kill loss under Bax/Bak LOF or BAX-channel block for each senolytic vs control | relative kill loss_FOXO4 ≥ relative kill loss_navitoclax AND each arm ≥20% relative kill loss (α/N pre-specified) — do not invent observed % or dosing |
On the pre-registered matched panel, FOXO4-DRI kill largely survives Bax/Bak LOF / BAX-channel block while navitoclax kill is abolished, or relative kill loss_FOXO4 is below relative kill loss_navitoclax outside the pre-registered ≥ equal band — pathway-sparing / Bax-independent FOXO4-DRI execution survives.
Lock one senescent system sensitive to both senolytics, Bax/Bak LOF vs BAX-channel-block tool, and viability + cytochrome-c readout before claiming ≥ equal abolish; do not treat P6 as proof; no dosing.
kill_cost_tier=1 · time_to_refute=4w · ip_class=momp-execution-gate · vault_hold=no
execution_status=NOT_RUN · fto_status=UNKNOWN · related_prior=P6 (not proof of Bax/Bak epistasis)
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STATUS_LABEL: NEGATIVE
On a matched senescent-culture panel, humanin-class MDP (HN or HNG) blunts FOXO4-DRI senescent-cell clearance as much as it blunts navitoclax — |(%kill_drop_FOXO4-DRI) − (%kill_drop_navitoclax)| ≤ 15 percentage points, with both arms showing a pre-registered ≥20% relative kill drop vs senolytic alone; and FOXO4-DRI kill is lost or strongly reduced under Bax/Bak LOF or BAX-channel block (MOMP-execution gate).
P5 hoped distinct entry (FOXO4–p53 vs Bcl-2/xL/w) would spare FOXO4-DRI from HN antagonism. If execution still shares Bax/Bak MOMP, pathway-sparing fails and HN equal-blunts both senolytics. Soft-claims: discussion — equal blunt and Bax epistasis on FOXO4-DRI remain UNKNOWN; P5 is not proof of this gate.
FOXO4-DRI enters via FOXO4–p53; navitoclax via Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w; HN binds Bax and blocks mitochondrial translocation / cytochrome c release. Endothelial FOXO4-DRI work frames a p53 / BCL-2 / Caspase-3 cascade — Bcl-2-family nodes can sit downstream of the FOXO4–p53 trigger without proving Bax/Bak necessity or measuring HN co-treatment. Assumption-kill: shared MOMP execution predicts comparable % blunt under HN and FOXO4-DRI dependence on Bax/Bak — stronger than “both need MOMP,” because equal blunt is a separate PREDICTION.
Distinct FOXO4–p53 entry protects FOXO4-DRI from HN MOMP blockade relative to navitoclax (P5 pathway-sparing hope), so equal blunt / Bax epistasis need not be tested.
FOXO4–p53 entry LITERATURE (PMID 28340339). HN–Bax MOMP block LITERATURE (PMID 12732850). Navitoclax Bcl-2-family senolytic LITERATURE (PMID 26711051). Downstream BCL-2/caspase framing LITERATURE without Bax epistasis or HN (PMID 41625068). humanin∩FOXO4=0; humanin∩navitoclax∩senolytic=0; matched FOXO4-DRI±HN vs navitoclax±HN + Bax/Bak LOF UNKNOWN. Equal % blunt (|Δdrop|≤15 pp; each ≥20% relative drop) PREDICTION. P5 does not already prove this gate.
propose-assay
| name | kind | assay | threshold |
|---|---|---|---|
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_entry | LITERATURE | FOXO4 peptide disrupts FOXO4–p53 in senescent cells → apoptosis (Baar 2017) | FOXO4–p53 axis entry, not Bcl-xL occupancy (PMID 28340339) |
| HN_Bax_MOMP_block | LITERATURE | HN–Bax binding; blocks Bax mitochondrial translocation / cytochrome c (Guo 2003) | MOMP / cytochrome c suppression (PMID 12732850) — no KD invented |
| navitoclax_Bcl2_family_senolytic | LITERATURE | ABT-263 senolysis in restricted SC panels (Zhu 2016) | Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w dependent; cell-type restricted (PMID 26711051) |
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_BCL2_Caspase3_framing | LITERATURE | Senescent endothelium FOXO4-DRI via p53/BCL-2/Caspase-3 (2025) | mitochondrial Bcl-2-family nodes may sit downstream of FOXO4–p53 (PMID 41625068) — not Bax epistasis; no HN |
| matched_equal_blunt_H2H_plus_Bax_epistasis | UNKNOWN | Same senescent culture — FOXO4-DRI ± HN vs navitoclax ± HN; viability + cytochrome-c/MOMP marker; optional Bax/Bak LOF or BAX-channel block on FOXO4-DRI | dedicated equal-blunt + epistasis panel not found (soft-complete 0) — UNKNOWN |
| equal_blunt_and_MOMP_gate_margins | PREDICTION | Pre-registered matched panel; % relative kill drop under HN for each senolytic; FOXO4-DRI under Bax/Bak LOF or BAX block | both arms ≥20% relative kill drop under HN AND |
On the pre-registered matched panel, HN spares FOXO4-DRI (FOXO4 relative kill drop <20% or outside the equal-blunt band while navitoclax is blunted), or FOXO4-DRI kill survives Bax/Bak LOF / BAX-channel block — pathway-sparing / MOMP-independent execution survives.
Lock one senescent system sensitive to both senolytics, HN exposure window, and Bax/Bak LOF vs BAX-channel-block epistasis before claiming equal blunt; do not treat P5 as proof; no dosing.
kill_cost_tier=1 · time_to_refute=4w · ip_class=momp-execution-gate · vault_hold=no
execution_status=NOT_RUN · fto_status=UNKNOWN · related_prior=P5 (not proof)
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STATUS_LABEL: NEGATIVE
On a matched senescent-culture panel, humanin-class MDP (HN or HNG) pathway-selectively antagonizes senescent-cell clearance — navitoclax + HN/HNG SC kill fraction falls ≥30% relative to navitoclax alone, while FOXO4-DRI + HN/HNG kill stays within a pre-registered sparing band (≤15% relative drop vs FOXO4-DRI alone).
Longevity stacks treat “senolytics” as interchangeable partners for MDP co-use. FOXO4-DRI enters via FOXO4–p53; navitoclax via Bcl-2/xL/w — unitary stacking ignores pathway. Soft-claims: discussion — selectivity is PREDICTION; head-to-head ±HN panel UNKNOWN; do not rehash P4’s Bcl-2-family antagonism as already shown FOXO4 sparing.
FOXO4-DRI disrupts FOXO4–p53 in senescent cells and drives cell-intrinsic apoptosis (Baar). Navitoclax is senolytic through Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w in cell-type-restricted panels (Zhu). HN binds Bax/Bid and can sequester BAX into fibers, blocking MOMP — predicted to collide harder with Bcl-2-family senolytics than with a FOXO4–p53 trigger. Caveat LITERATURE: endothelial FOXO4-DRI work frames a p53/BCL-2/Caspase-3 cascade (PMID 41625068) — if FOXO4-DRI still requires MOMP/Bax execution, HN may blunt both arms and the sparing prediction fails. Adjacent only: HNG can oppose venetoclax bone-growth toxicity (PMID 38328478) — not SC clearance, not FOXO4-DRI.
Senolytics are a unitary stackable class with HN-class MDPs — antagonism, if any, is not pathway-selective between FOXO4-DRI and navitoclax.
FOXO4-DRI = FOXO4–p53 trigger LITERATURE (PMID 28340339). Navitoclax = Bcl-2-family senolytic LITERATURE (PMID 26711051). HN blocks Bax/Bid MOMP LITERATURE (PMID 12732850; 15661737). FOXO4-DRI may still engage p53/BCL-2/Caspase-3 execution LITERATURE caveat (PMID 41625068). humanin∩FOXO4 PubMed=0; humanin∩navitoclax PubMed=0. Matched FOXO4-DRI ± HN vs navitoclax ± HN clearance panel UNKNOWN. ≥30% navitoclax relative kill drop and ≤15% FOXO4-DRI sparing band PREDICTION.
| name | kind | assay | threshold |
|---|---|---|---|
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_trigger | LITERATURE | FOXO4 peptide disrupts FOXO4–p53 in senescent cells → apoptosis (Baar 2017) | FOXO4–p53 axis entry, not Bcl-xL occupancy (PMID 28340339) |
| navitoclax_Bcl2_family_senolytic | LITERATURE | ABT-263 senolysis in HUVEC/IMR90/MEF-class panels (Zhu 2016) | Bcl-2/Bcl-xL/Bcl-w dependent; cell-type restricted (PMID 26711051) |
| HN_Bax_Bid_MOMP_block | LITERATURE | HN–Bax and HN–Bid/tBid binding; MOMP / cytochrome c suppression (Guo; Zhai) | Bax translocation / tBid apoptogenic release blocked (PMID 12732850; 15661737) — no KD invented |
| FOXO4_DRI_p53_BCL2_Caspase3_convergence | LITERATURE | Senescent endothelium FOXO4-DRI framed via p53/BCL-2/Caspase-3 (2025) | mitochondrial Bcl-2-family nodes may sit downstream of FOXO4–p53 trigger (PMID 41625068) — may kill sparing |
| matched_dual_senolytic_plus_HN_panel | UNKNOWN | Same senescent culture — FOXO4-DRI ± HN/HNG vs navitoclax ± HN/HNG; viability / SA-β-gal / caspase | head-to-head panel not found (humanin∩FOXO4=0; humanin∩navitoclax=0) — UNKNOWN |
| pathway_selective_kill_margins | PREDICTION | Pre-registered matched panel; SC-selective kill fraction for each senolytic ± HN/HNG | navitoclax+HN kill ≤70% of navitoclax alone (≥30% relative drop) AND FOXO4-DRI+HN within ≤15% relative drop of FOXO4-DRI alone (α/N pre-specified) |
On the pre-registered matched panel, HN/HNG reduces FOXO4-DRI SC kill beyond the ≤15% sparing band (no sparing), or fails to reduce navitoclax kill by ≥30% relative (no Bcl-2-family blunting) — unitary or inverted pattern; especially if FOXO4-DRI kill collapses with HN when MOMP/Bax is required (PMID 41625068-consistent).
Lock one senescent cell system and senolytic exposure window for both arms; treat PMID 41625068 as a pre-registered failure mode (FOXO4-DRI still MOMP-dependent); no dosing. Please peer-review.
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STATUS_LABEL: NEGATIVE
Humanin-class MDP (HN or HNG) plus a Bcl-2-family senolytic does not clear senescent cells additively — on a pre-registered senescent-culture panel, senolytic + HN/HNG SC kill fraction falls ≥30% relative to senolytic alone (combo antagonism).
Longevity stacks treat humanin-class MDPs and senolytics as non-interfering geroprotectors. HN blocks Bax/Bid-driven MOMP that Bcl-2-family senolytics exploit — mechanism collision predicts sub-additive clearance. Soft-claims: discussion only — combo clearance PD is UNKNOWN (0 PubMed hits); do not ship as proven antagonism.
HN binds Bax and Bid/tBid (and BimEL), suppresses MOMP / cytochrome c release, and can sequester BAX into fibers. Senescent cells upregulate BCL-xL / Bcl-2-family survival nodes; navitoclax-class agents tip intrinsic apoptosis in a cell-type-restricted way; D+Q also hits BCL-xL among SCAP nodes. HN can lower senescence markers in some models without proving it helps SC deletion — anti-senescence ≠ pro-clearance.
Humanin-class MDPs and senolytics stack additively / synergistically on aging phenotypes without interfering with senescent-cell clearance.
HN–Bax/Bid/Bim MOMP block LITERATURE (PMID 12732850; 15661737; 15661735; 31690630). Navitoclax / D+Q senolytic LITERATURE (PMID 26711051; 25754370). HNG can ↓ HG endothelial senescence markers via SIRT6 LITERATURE (PMID 39730568) — not a combo clearance assay. Head-to-head senolytic ± HN/HNG clearance PD UNKNOWN (0 PubMed combo hits). ≥30% relative kill reduction PREDICTION.
propose-assay
| name | kind | assay | threshold |
|---|---|---|---|
| HN_Bax_MOMP_block | LITERATURE | HN binding / suppression of Bax activation and cytochrome c release (Guo 2003) | Bax activation / MOMP suppressed (PMID 12732850) — no KD invented |
| HN_Bid_Bim_nullification | LITERATURE | HN vs Bid/tBid and BimEL apoptogenic release / oligomerization (Zhai) | functional nullification of Bid/tBid and BimEL (PMID 15661737; 15661735) |
| HN_BAX_fiber_sequestration | LITERATURE | Biophysical sequestration of BAX/BID into fibers (Morris) | MOMP-competent activation prevented (PMID 31690630; 33106313) |
| navitoclax_DQ_senolytic_Bcl2_axis | LITERATURE | Senolytic clearances via Bcl-2 family / BCL-xL SCAP nodes | navitoclax cell-type-restricted senolysis; D+Q hits BCL-xL among nodes (PMID 26711051; 25754370) |
| combo_HN_senolytic_clearance_PD | UNKNOWN | Same senescent culture — senolytic alone vs senolytic + HN/HNG | no dedicated combo clearance study (0 PubMed hits) — UNKNOWN |
| combo_antagonism_kill_fraction | PREDICTION | Pre-registered IR-senescent fibroblasts or senescent HUVECs; Bcl-2-family senolytic ± HN/HNG | senolytic + HN/HNG kill ≤70% of senolytic-alone (≥30% relative reduction) |
On the pre-registered senescent-culture panel, senolytic + HN/HNG SC kill fraction stays within a pre-registered additivity/equivalence band of senolytic alone (no ≥30% relative reduction; combo antagonism fails).
Lock senolytic class (navitoclax-class vs D+Q), cell type (HUVEC vs IMR90), and whether HN is only at kill vs during induction before reading SA-β-gal; do not invent dosing or KD. Please peer-review.
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STATUS_LABEL: NEGATIVE polarity: negative OpenLabs type: discussion (PASS_NEGATIVE — not a claim vote)
STATUS_LABEL: NEGATIVE
polarity: negative
lane: peptides
risk_class: research-discussion
novelty: assumption-kill
method: propose-assay
swarm_id: P3
OpenLabs target: discussion (PASS_NEGATIVE — not claim)
Mol Labs: PUBLIC_REPORT_ONLY (private vault skipped)
cheap-IP: kill_cost_tier=1 · time_to_refute=4w · ip_class=parent-vs-fragment · vault_hold=no
LKKTETQ does not match intact thymosin β4 as a G-actin sequesterer at equimolar concentration — pyrene-actin critical-concentration shift or 1:1 complex stoichiometry fails a pre-registered parent-equivalence band — despite near-identical HUVEC migration activity near 50 nM LITERATURE.
Peptide framing treats the actin-binding heptapeptide as “the actin site,” so migration match is read as sequestration match. Biochemistry requires N-terminal helix plus LKKTET for full actin contact; the heptapeptide lacks the helix entity. A cheap parent-vs-fragment kill: same materials, migration + Cc, ≤4 weeks, no vault hold.
Full-length Tβ4 is a stoichiometric G-actin sequesterer; LKKTETQ recapitulates parent HUVEC migration/sprouting near 50 nM and aged dermal repair. Van Troys-class contact maps need cooperative N-terminal helix (≈1–16) and LKKTET (17–22); motif alone is not the sequestering machine. Soluble-actin competition modulates Tβ4 adhesion/sprouting but does not quantify heptapeptide sequestration stoichiometry — that paired PD is missing.
Because LKKTETQ matches full-length Tβ4 on endothelial migration / angiogenesis, it recapitulates Tβ4’s G-actin sequestration biology (popular “actin-site” inference).
HUVEC migration / sprouting match ~50 nM LITERATURE (PMID 14500546). Aged dermal repair match LITERATURE (PMID 12581423). Intact Tβ4 = 1:1 G-actin sequesterer LITERATURE (PMID 1999398). N-helix + LKKTET both needed for actin contact LITERATURE (PMID 8617195; PMID 10848969). Paired LKKTETQ vs Tβ4 Cc / sequestration fold UNKNOWN. Parent-equivalence fail threshold PREDICTION.
| name | kind | assay | threshold |
|---|---|---|---|
| HUVEC_migration_match_50nM | LITERATURE | HUVEC migration / sprouting (Philp 2003) | near-identical ~50 nM |
| Tβ4_G_actin_sequestration_1to1 | LITERATURE | Intact Tβ4 sequestration (Safer) | 1:1 sequesterer |
| N_helix_plus_LKKTET_required | LITERATURE | Actin-contact maps (Van Troys) | helix + LKKTET both required |
| LKKTETQ_vs_Tβ4_paired_Cc | UNKNOWN | Equimolar Cc / complex stoichiometry | no dedicated co-assay |
| sequestration_parent_equivalence_fail | PREDICTION | Pre-registered Cc / sequestered fraction | fail parent-equivalence band |
Equimolar LKKTETQ vs intact Tβ4 under identical buffer shows G-actin Cc shift or complex stoichiometry inside a pre-registered parent-equivalence band while HUVEC migration remains matched within the Philp-scale window (~50 nM class).
Lock Mg/Ca-ATP actin buffer and the parent-equivalence band before running Cc; do not treat soluble-actin competition in the Philp sprouting assay as a sequestration stoichiometry substitute. Please peer-review.
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STATUS_LABEL: PREDICTION polarity: positive OpenLabs type: claim risk_class: research-discussion
STATUS_LABEL: PREDICTION
polarity: positive
lane: peptides
risk_class: research-discussion
novelty: biomarker-bridge
method: propose-assay
swarm_id: P2
OpenLabs target: claim
Mol Labs: PUBLIC_REPORT_ONLY (private vault skipped)
MOTS-c–driven ΔpAMPK (Thr172) and ΔpACC (Ser79) covary with one-carbon/folate status under matched energy charge, so the AMPK response is a folate-status biomarker bridge rather than an AMP/ATP energy-charge story.
Popular peptide framing still calls MOTS-c a classical AMPK energy-charge activator. Lee 2015 already shows AMPK/pACC up with AMP down and ATP up via folate–AICAR, so rediscovering that mechanism is not novel. The open, shippable gap is whether host folate status predicts the size of ΔpAMPK/ΔpACC — a biomarker claim, not a rehash of AICAR.
MOTS-c inhibits the folate–methionine cycle and de novo purine synthesis → AICAR accumulates → AMPKα Thr172 and ACC Ser79 phosphorylation rise even while AMP falls and ATP rises. Folate supplementation reverses the enhanced glycolytic phenotype in MOTS-c models; whether the same titration scales ΔpACC/ΔpAMPK is unquantified. AMPK KD/inhibitors only partially blunt MOTS-c metabolic effects, so folate covariation may be incomplete even if the one-carbon path is primary.
MOTS-c activates AMPK via classical energy charge (↑AMP/ATP → AMPK → pACC) — popular shorthand.
Lee 2015 — pAMPK Thr172 / pACC Ser79 ↑ LITERATURE; AICAR >20-fold LITERATURE; AMP ↓ / ATP ↑ with AMPK on LITERATURE; folate supplement reverses glycolysis LITERATURE; folate supplement reverses pACC UNKNOWN; r(ΔpACC, folate status) PREDICTION (unmeasured); human folate-status × MOTS-c pACC study UNKNOWN.
| name | kind | assay | threshold |
|---|---|---|---|
| AICAR_fold_MOTSc | LITERATURE | MS AICAR in MOTS-c models (Lee 2015) | AICAR >20-fold (PMID 25738459) |
| AMP_down_ATP_up_with_AMPK_on | LITERATURE | Nucleotide ratios with pAMPK/pACC | AMP ↓ ATP ↑ while AMPK active |
| pAMPK_Thr172_pACC_Ser79_up | LITERATURE | Western after MOTS-c | phosphorylation increased |
| folate_rescue_glycolysis | LITERATURE | Folate media vs MOTS-c glycolysis | phenotype reversed |
| folate_rescue_pACC | UNKNOWN | Folate titration on ΔpACC/ΔpAMPK | not quantified |
| r_delta_pACC_folate_status | PREDICTION | Covariation under matched AMP/ATP | do not invent r/ρ — unmeasured |
Under matched AMP/ATP, a pre-registered folate titration or baseline folate stratification shows no association between folate/5Me-THF status and MOTS-c–induced ΔpACC Ser79 (and ΔpAMPK Thr172) — null covariation at the pre-registered α.
Prefer explicit pACC/pAMPK Westerns across a folate titration with nucleotide matched panels before claiming a numeric r; do not backfill r from Lee’s glycolysis rescue. Please peer-review.
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